14 March 2015

Pre-Marriage Long-Term Visit Pass Assessment

https://www.ica.gov.sg/apply/PMLTVP/apply_PMLTVP_nonresident

I learned about this new procedure from one of my visitors, I took a look and this new thing is not what I expected, at first I thought it's something to help our group of people, but seems like this is more to screen the couples first before they get married, last time is marry first then apply for LTVP, now is apply for this pre-marriage assessment before you get married, if don't apply, will face longer LTVP processing time, according to this page, under Processing Time, can be up to 6 months!

"Those who did not go through the Pre-Marriage LTVP Assessment will be subjected to longer processing time of up to 6 months."

What I can see is this is a new strategy to control the SG/Foreigner couple population, obviously Singaporeans who cannot meet their hidden criteria will not be granted the Letter of LTVP Eligibility, and even if they go ahead and get married, they will have to wait up to 6 months for the LTVP application result, imagine after waiting for 6 months and they tell you rejected, obviously this will cause a lot of un-necessary stress to people who cannot meet the criteria.

We all know which group will be most affected, the lower income group, first thing they look at is your income, whether you can support yourself and the foreign spouse.

This is discriminating but then it is a fact that it costs much more if you marry a foreigner, housing will be more expensive because you cannot apply for BTO, healthcare is more expensive as the foreign spouse will be paying foreigner rate, but I think this can be overcome if both of them have a stable job, so why not explore this aspect and see what better things can be done.

This new procedure isn't really as helpful as they painted it, it's like saying if you are low income, don't bother getting married, even if you try, we will make you wait 6 months and then reject the LTVP, what the fish right.

68 comments:

Anonymous said...

any rough idea whats their income hidden criteria

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

From what I remember, I think it's around 1.5k.

Anonymous said...

I believe the hidden income criteria is 3k. The IO accidentally blurted it out last time.

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Wow, nowadays is 3K!? I think a few years ago was 1.5K, there is even a TV show that talked about it but like I said it was a few years ago.

Kevin said...

My income is 2k and my Pre-Marriage Long-Term Visit Pass Assessment is successful.

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for sharing!

Anonymous said...

Hi kelvin,

may i know what is processing time of your PM long term pass?

Raiden Chan said...

hi guys, im new here and lost need help..regarding the Pre-Marriage Long-Term Visit Pass Assessment, beside declaring and filling up an on-line assessment.
any documents needed to be scan and attached during online assessment for the both of us??

Unknown said...

Ur gross income is 2k or 2k plus? Drop me an email..I want to know more details. Wjian0105@gmail.com

Kylie26 said...

Just want to ask how long can a foreigner stay in sg if there pre marriage long term visit pass assessment is successful?

Kylie26 said...

Hope to hear from u..thanks😊

Kylie26 said...

Hope to hear from u..thanks😊

Kylie26 said...

Just want to ask how long can a foreigner stay in sg if there pre marriage long term visit pass assessment is successful?

Anonymous said...

Kylie im trying to apply pre marriage ltvp too for my vietnam gf.. the answer to your question is she will get 1 year stay in sgp.. u go read ica site.. it shows there

Anonymous said...

Anyone knows the criteria for the pm ltvp? Wasn't successful . Income above 3 but got charge for drink driving before. Anyone appealed before? Or any steps to take to help the application .

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Other than your drink driving, does your partner have anything that could be a cause for the unsuccessful application? You want to be very sure drink driving is the cause and the only cause.

So how long was it since the conviction? If several years ago, you can appeal going along the line of you did not re-offend after x years. If recent, I guess you might want to wait for 1 or 2 years before you try again.

Anonymous said...

my income is 30k a month but got rejected. why?

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Might not be your problem, I think nationality also matters, I think they have quota for different countries.

Zoloo Zaya said...

Good day :)
I just gor married on 4.4.17. Husband is SC.
We are going to apply for LTVP as we did not go through pre marriage ltvp. Im okay with waiting time. Im just wondering while waiting for the outcome (which could be up to 6 mths) can I still enter Singapore with social visit pass. I dun need visa n can enter for 30 days.
I have lived in singapore from year 07-14 (was holding s pass). And since then i have been travelling up and down which i was deported once and appealed to enter again. Now it seems like everytime i come here i have to be checked at the custom. I have that fear of cannot enter spore or thing get rejected etc.
Any advice apreciated. Thanx in advance :)

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marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Hi Zaya,

I think the only thing you can do is try your luck, but I advise better to wait till you get the in-principal approval then you come here, I think it would be less trouble for you.

Best of luck!

Zoloo Zaya said...

Thanx alot. I think it is better to as well.

Anonymous said...

Hi,

Anyone tried applying the PMLTP with a different NR name after the previous one expired?

Cheers

Mrs Sultan said...

Hi...

I want to ask too.. I applied for my husband LTVP in May 2017..
We didn't do the pre marriage ltvp too.. then now he travels regularly in and out Singapore, JB and home country, Indonesia..

Recently he also got stuck at the customs because of these regular travels and got questioning and stuff like that in the office...

So is just waiting in the home country better then doing these frequent travels..? Or I should let him stay in Singapore and just extend his social visit pass every month..?

* praying so hard he get the ltvp soon, it's so troublesome =( *

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Hi Mrs. Sultan,

I think just stick to the one which is more convenient until he gets his LTVP.

All the best!

Zed said...

Hi my LTVP assessment is still pending after 5 weeks, what should I do or should I just wait ?

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Hi Zed,

Nothing much you can do but keep waiting, ICA will inform you soon I hope.

Mrs Sultan said...

Haiz... I guess so.. thanks a lot....

kalamasni said...

Sharing my case:

Im earning 2.6k, gf is korean.

Applied pmla 4 times all rejected.

Continued with ROM and applied for the real ltvp.

Ltvp approved with ipa after 2 weeks instead of the 3-6 months wait, so im still puzzled by the pmla system in place.

Zed said...

Hi at ROM I know we might need a translator if she is not fluent in English. Can we prepare the vows in advance and if she can read the vows do we still need a translator? Did your wife need translator for the vow "In token and pledge of our constant faith and abiding love, with this ring I marry you."

kalamasni said...

On your big day, the solemnizer will read out the vows for both of you, just need to repeat after the solemnizer accordingly. You dont have to read anything.

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Haha, then what's the point of going through the pre-marriage thing, more like a waste of time.

Seems to me like they have different people handling pre-marriage and LTVP, I guess pre-marriage is probably done by clerks since it's not an official approval of stay in SG. LTVP is the real thing, so most likely done by ranking officers.

Fairychild said...

I got married to my foreign spouse,male korean

we both have gone through the LTVP pre-assessment, gotten approved and applied for the LTVP.

Took 4 weeks for them to call up documents to be presented in person at the visitors centre. Its almost 6 weeks and no news no updates.

I wonder what is taking them so long?

Our incomes are both exceeding 5K here.

Mrs Sultan said...

Hi...

Just update after what I've gone through..
finally got my hubby's LTVP after exactly 4 months of waiting time..
He's Indonesian and not working in Singapore..
My income is 3k plus.

So while waiting he's been coming in and out sg/jb/Jakarta.. till I decided he shall just wait in Indonesia as the customs are questioning his frequent travels.

We didn't go through PMLA coz I tot it was just a weird policy as if rejected means I shouldn't marry my husband or what.. really so silly....

LTVP got approve in principle means we had to book appointment date, submit all the requested documents, including medical check up which must be valid within 1 month before appointment date.. after the documents check done, we had to wait again for our number to call again and got the pass the same day as the appointment day..

So hope this help for those who are still waiting.. Best Wishes..

isabel vanessa Espanola said...

hi can you give me some advice, we already apply for ROM January 2018, but our pre-assessment disapproved, I will be going to Singapore this coming December, do you think immigration will not allow me to enter im worried

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Hi isabel,

Even if your pre-marriage assessment is not approved, you should still be able to visit SG as a tourist. If you can show a return ticket when the immigration officer asks for it, you should be fine.

Lostchild said...

Hi please kindly advise,submitted for pm ltvp on Sept and till now still pending. My ROM is on the 11th of December 17.what happens if end day pm ltvp rejected or not approve yet and we are getting married? Do I apply for ltvp and forget about the pm ltvp?

Anonymous said...

I'm in the same boat, pm ltvp still pending but my wedding is approaching. For me, I will just proceed with ltvp application. As read above some pm ltvp can take very long and some ltvp can take shorter than expected.

dong said...

i also worry as i was rejected by pm ltvp ....

dong said...

I dont know if i call apply pm ltvp or wait until ROM next yr mar better?, can any one suggest me? so sad

isabel vanessa espanola said...

Hi Dong did you apply for long term pass already,even pm ltvp rejected?

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dong said...

I JUST FAILED 2 TIMES OF PMLTVP, VERY SAD, COMING MAR WILL HV ROM, THEN APPLY LTVP, SO TROUBLE, I JUST WORRY MY FUTURE TO LIVING HERE, IN N OUT MONTHLY IF ALL PASS FAIL FINALLY?

jo said...

To apply pm ltvp, does my girlfriend need to be in singapore during this duration?

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Hi jo,

It is online service, if you can prepare the required documents and coordinate with her via whatsapp or something can just submit online because looks like no requirement for her to be in SG.

Alex said...

The applicatian need to be in sg to apply LTVP as they will need ur de card which only can get upon arrival in sg but it's safer to apply pm LTVP get approval then will lower the risk of being rejected at custom

Deron Tay said...

Hi would like to ask.... if my pre marriage ltvp accessment is successful....but some details are declared wrong... like my qualification.. will there be any issue if I submitted the actual ltvp application ?

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Hi Deron,

Is there any contact number for the pre-marriage ltvp assessment? Best is to call them and inform them about the mistake and see how it goes. Personally I think providing accurate information is always the best policy.

Deron Tay said...

Hi Bro settles le. We got married already 19th!

But.......

I would like some advise on below. I had just submitted my LTVP with my wife. I noticed a question that requires me to choose yes or no.

"Additional question from applicant"

*Did you enter into this marriage with you spouse to enable you to obtain long-term stay in Singapore"?

I was stuck thinking of this question for a very long, i indicated a yes and for the reason i indicated "i would want to stay with my husband after marriage"

Now i am thinking whether if i should choose no?
I think I may have misinterpreted the question

Have anyone encounter this question before????

Any help?

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Hi Deron,

I think the question can be a little vague but with your reason it is perfectly fine. Usually people would interpret as "No I didn't marry a Singaporean just to be able to stay here", yours is more of "Yes I marry my husband because I want to stay with him".

Don't worry about it.

Deron Tay said...

Thank you!

I would still be going down ICA next week to clarify. II just don’t like the feelinf that I have gone through so much in the end the ltvp will get rejected for something I indicated wrongly.

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Hi Deron,

I agree, if in doubt always clarify.

Deron Tay said...

Someone told me to email to ica to clarify this mistake?

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Hi Deron,

Email will take some time, better if you call.

JJ said...

Hi, I've just submitted our p.m ltvp assessment. I would like to know if there is any more procedure that needs to be done once it is approved. Or could my fiance come into SG and be granted 1 year visa upon arrival?

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Hi JJ,

Taken from ICA site: https://www.ica.gov.sg/apply/PMLTVP/apply_PMLTVP_nonresident

"If you are assessed to be eligible for an LTVP, you will be issued a Letter of LTVP Eligibility (LLE) that is valid for one year. You can then use this LLE in your application, after your marriage."

Which means you can use the LLE to apply for LTVP. Pre-marriage LTVP approved doesn't mean visa on arrival.

JJ said...

Thank you for the reply.

Guess i interpreted the LLE validity of 1 year to be same as it allowing her to stay for 1 year.

Could you advice me on what are the process that needs to be done for my fiance, as we plan our wedding to be end of the year and she wants to come over to SG and stay soon?

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Hi JJ,

To apply the LTVP for her, you need to provide a marriage of certificate, so before marriage if she wishes to come over, she have to enter on social visit pass like any tourist, so it will be a back and forth cycle because ICA will only grant 30 days stay per visit, you can try to extend for her but it is difficult without strong reason.

And also note that most of the time the ICA staff at arrival counter will ask to see return ticket, at least I know for Thai people they do because my MIL was asked to show her return ticket every time she visit, even at Bangkok airport before the airline staff proceed to check-in they will also ask for return ticket or else they refuse to check her in, so end up no choice have to buy on the spot.

And also it doesn't reflect well if she enter then leave several times because her records will indicate to ICA that she might be doing something illegal here, sometimes they will just deport people that they randomly pick out. Unfortunately they have the power to deport people so not much we can do.

Anyway previously before I married my wife, she will visit one month then go back, after that I visit her on short trip, then she come back again for month, this way we try to reduce the trips that she come over, but then end up got one time when she came over to marry she also got stopped at airport, stuck inside for a few hours, she even printed the notice of marriage but they didn't even bother to check, luckily I managed to get the contact number of the office and call in then they let her out, who knows what will happen if I never call. If this happens you can enquire at information counter they can give you the ICA office number.

So if you really want to play safe, it's better if you visit her instead.

JJ said...

Thank you for taking time to explain my options now. Looks like we're taking the safe approach like u mention, we wouldn't wan any hiccup before the wedding.

Deron Tay said...

Hi bro,

Hope you are doing well.
I just received a e-mail from ICA stating that they are please to consider my application subject to submission of original documents below this coming friday. Apparently the appointment date is provided by them.

Copy of ICA e-mail notice
Copy of duly completed Form 14B (LTVP application form)
Applicant passport / DE card
Marriage cert
Sponsor NRIC / latest letter of employment / CPF statment
Letter of permission - MOM

Believe that this is not the In-principal approval?
But any idea once i submit these documents over at ICA 4th floor, when will i know the results?

Or is there any chance that her LTVP will be rejected?

(I'm earning 4k+ and actually working in the same company for close to 7 years so i have a consistent flow of CPF contribution. So I'm not so worried about all these documents, but sometimes you can't help but worry that unexpected things will happen....)

Hope you can help!

marrythaigirlsingapore said...

Hi Deron,

Seems like she used to hold a work permit or is a work permit holder. As long as MOM approve the marriage most likely should be fine. It's normal to be a bit anxious.

Deron Tay said...

Yes sir she was a work permit holder. I gotten approval from MOM to get married. Shown them numerious times already.

Deron Tay said...

Well just to give and update and also if anyone has the same issues in the future.

Went down to ICA yesterday to submit all the documents necessary.
Told the officer frankly that i have misread, misinterpreted the question in my LTVP application below which i indicated YES. He was saying at if you feel is a NO you can strike it off and get applicant to countersign which i did and gotten my wife to countersign.

*Did you enter into this marriage with you spouse to enable you to obtain long-term stay in Singapore"?

The officer at the counter asked me and my wife is this our first marriage? (YES) is she pregnant? (NO) do we have any kids (NO) and siblings (Both single child).

Then he took out a piece of paper to ask me and my wife to write and declare whom are our immediate family members and signed off.

I was curious that I asked him what was this about and he replied that this is what is required in the system?

That's something new to me after reading so much forum in regards to LTVP.

Not sure anyone has come across such issues?

Anonymous said...

Hi,

I would like to share my case on a doubt on PMLTVP

Currently, my gf is under PMLTVP and she is a thai . may i know what are the chances that she will failed the entry to enter sg ?
She just came on feb 2018 on CNY period .

Thank you

Anonymous said...

Hi,

Can I travel to Singapore while my pre-marriage LTVP status is pending ?

LKSW said...

I failed my PMLTVP twice already, should I try again with my gf? Really hope I’m able to get her in, as I wish that she could stay with me and let my parents know her better. Anyone able to help me on this? Or facing similar problems?

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Anonymous said...

Hi
Can advise if any documents need to prepare in advance during the application for pre-LTVP assessment?
Thanks.